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	<description>Actually just some gentle musing on life, I think</description>
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		<title>Comment on Are DevOps practitioners really Sysadmin or coding ninjas or just plain Grey? by BoobBoo</title>
		<link>http://boobboo.com/blog/are-devops-practitioners-really-sysadmin-or-coding-ninjas-or-just-plain-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-126</link>
		<dc:creator>BoobBoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 20:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thomas,

I really appreciate the kind words, I am considering cross posting it on to SDN to see what feedback I get.

Glad you enjoyed it and it was worth the wait

Chris]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas,</p>
<p>I really appreciate the kind words, I am considering cross posting it on to SDN to see what feedback I get.</p>
<p>Glad you enjoyed it and it was worth the wait</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are DevOps practitioners really Sysadmin or coding ninjas or just plain Grey? by Thomas Jung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Jung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is without a doubt the best Information Technology/Babylon 5 comparison I&#039;ve ever read.  Admittedly its also the first Babylon infused IT Development blog I&#039;ve encountered, but if the world were filled with Babylon themed development blogs I&#039;m sure this one would still be at the top of the heap.

I particularly liked the comparison to the Grey Council speaking externally with a single voice even when divided internally. This is a tip that many IT departments don&#039;t get right with dangerous results.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is without a doubt the best Information Technology/Babylon 5 comparison I&#8217;ve ever read.  Admittedly its also the first Babylon infused IT Development blog I&#8217;ve encountered, but if the world were filled with Babylon themed development blogs I&#8217;m sure this one would still be at the top of the heap.</p>
<p>I particularly liked the comparison to the Grey Council speaking externally with a single voice even when divided internally. This is a tip that many IT departments don&#8217;t get right with dangerous results.</p>
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		<title>Comment on DevOp and why I want to be one by David Hull</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Hull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 21:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-99&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@BoobBoo&lt;/a&gt; 
Those examples can be life-altering, too. Especially if you&#039;re the one on call and you catch things before they lead to downtime.

That was exactly my case when I started implementing monitoring functionality with perl. We couldn&#039;t get money for monitoring tools, so I wrote what I needed, and it turned out to be a life-saver, indeed!

@KK - perfect example of CCMS custom monitoring routines, too!

@Steve - I remember working at my University wondering why they didn&#039;t even have Unix admins, until I realized they did, but their title was &quot;system programmer.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-99" rel="nofollow">@BoobBoo</a><br />
Those examples can be life-altering, too. Especially if you&#8217;re the one on call and you catch things before they lead to downtime.</p>
<p>That was exactly my case when I started implementing monitoring functionality with perl. We couldn&#8217;t get money for monitoring tools, so I wrote what I needed, and it turned out to be a life-saver, indeed!</p>
<p>@KK &#8211; perfect example of CCMS custom monitoring routines, too!</p>
<p>@Steve &#8211; I remember working at my University wondering why they didn&#8217;t even have Unix admins, until I realized they did, but their title was &#8220;system programmer.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on #SAPAdmin or #DevOp &#8211; either or both by Kevin Grove</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Grove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 21:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An interesting post, indeed. I&#039;m reading this while FTPing NW 7.3 install DVDs up to the new Solaris VM (yawn!) I will also admit up-front that @DevOps_Borat is my hero!
Now that&#039;s out of the way, let me offer a few serious comments.
1) The DevOps philosophy, mindset seems to be an analog or complement, to the Agile development movement. That is a good thing, I think. 
2) Value is placed on communication and collaboration. A VERY GOOD thing. We in SysAdmin or #SAPadmin may have been guilty of being less than open to soliciting customer feedback.
3) Continuous learning/adapting is necessary on a professional and personal level. The rapid change in IT and SAP, in particular present a huge challenge to #SAPadmin in particular. Providing the best technology solution for a problem may be a cloud solution for example. Those solution do not integrate back to existing systems by themselves. However, these are new skills that need to be developed.
4) I agree that #SAPadmin has not gotten the attention or traction that perhaps it deserves. Could some work be done to create TechEd sessions (even if informal Tweetups) to encourage dialog about these topics?
Appreciate the posts, it has given me some things to think about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting post, indeed. I&#8217;m reading this while FTPing NW 7.3 install DVDs up to the new Solaris VM (yawn!) I will also admit up-front that @DevOps_Borat is my hero!<br />
Now that&#8217;s out of the way, let me offer a few serious comments.<br />
1) The DevOps philosophy, mindset seems to be an analog or complement, to the Agile development movement. That is a good thing, I think.<br />
2) Value is placed on communication and collaboration. A VERY GOOD thing. We in SysAdmin or #SAPadmin may have been guilty of being less than open to soliciting customer feedback.<br />
3) Continuous learning/adapting is necessary on a professional and personal level. The rapid change in IT and SAP, in particular present a huge challenge to #SAPadmin in particular. Providing the best technology solution for a problem may be a cloud solution for example. Those solution do not integrate back to existing systems by themselves. However, these are new skills that need to be developed.<br />
4) I agree that #SAPadmin has not gotten the attention or traction that perhaps it deserves. Could some work be done to create TechEd sessions (even if informal Tweetups) to encourage dialog about these topics?<br />
Appreciate the posts, it has given me some things to think about.</p>
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		<title>Comment on DevOp and why I want to be one by Steve Rumsby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Rumsby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 07:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree completely. I started out life as a programmer rather than as a systems admin. More than that, I did a Computer Science degree that taught me not only how to program but also how the machines work under the covers. I&#039;ve found that knowledge immensely helpful when writing code, and similarly knowing how to write code helps when setting up and administering the systems than run that code.

The analogy I&#039;ve always used is that of driving. You don&#039;t need to know how a car, and in particular its engine, works in order to drive and get from A to B. To drive really well, though, such knowledge is indispensable. In the extreme, for example, Formula 1 drivers know is great detail how their cars work. They can&#039;t do their job without that knowledge.

In the SAP world I would take this one step further. I started out doing Basis admin, but very easily branched out into ABAP programming based on my previous programming experience. From the point of view of understanding what is going on on an SAP system, though, what helped me more was functional understanding. I taught myself first how to use the various functional areas - post POs, journals, etc. - and then how to configure them. I&#039;m certainly no expert in any functional area, but I can get by and in an emergency I have been know to fix the odd problem. Understanding how data flows around the system, and what is going on in each transaction, I find a big help.

In essence, the more you know about what the systems do and how they do it, at all levels, the better you can set up and run the technical infrastructure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely. I started out life as a programmer rather than as a systems admin. More than that, I did a Computer Science degree that taught me not only how to program but also how the machines work under the covers. I&#8217;ve found that knowledge immensely helpful when writing code, and similarly knowing how to write code helps when setting up and administering the systems than run that code.</p>
<p>The analogy I&#8217;ve always used is that of driving. You don&#8217;t need to know how a car, and in particular its engine, works in order to drive and get from A to B. To drive really well, though, such knowledge is indispensable. In the extreme, for example, Formula 1 drivers know is great detail how their cars work. They can&#8217;t do their job without that knowledge.</p>
<p>In the SAP world I would take this one step further. I started out doing Basis admin, but very easily branched out into ABAP programming based on my previous programming experience. From the point of view of understanding what is going on on an SAP system, though, what helped me more was functional understanding. I taught myself first how to use the various functional areas &#8211; post POs, journals, etc. &#8211; and then how to configure them. I&#8217;m certainly no expert in any functional area, but I can get by and in an emergency I have been know to fix the odd problem. Understanding how data flows around the system, and what is going on in each transaction, I find a big help.</p>
<p>In essence, the more you know about what the systems do and how they do it, at all levels, the better you can set up and run the technical infrastructure.</p>
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		<title>Comment on DevOp and why I want to be one by BoobBoo</title>
		<link>http://boobboo.com/blog/devop-and-why-i-want-to-be-one/comment-page-1/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>BoobBoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 17:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[KK - 

I really could not agree more, I get so frustrated with people who are happy performing repetitive tasks, we were given brains and intelligence to work out better ways of doing things. I would rather spend 55 mins of a repetitive task to automate a way to do it so it takes 4 minutes. It leaves me 1 minute better off that time, but it leaves me 56 minutes better off the next time - hell even if it takes me 2 hours to automate it I&#039;m still better off. I can then blog about it and put it out in the world so others can benefit from it.

Thanks for your comment

Chris]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KK &#8211; </p>
<p>I really could not agree more, I get so frustrated with people who are happy performing repetitive tasks, we were given brains and intelligence to work out better ways of doing things. I would rather spend 55 mins of a repetitive task to automate a way to do it so it takes 4 minutes. It leaves me 1 minute better off that time, but it leaves me 56 minutes better off the next time &#8211; hell even if it takes me 2 hours to automate it I&#8217;m still better off. I can then blog about it and put it out in the world so others can benefit from it.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>Comment on DevOp and why I want to be one by BoobBoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>BoobBoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 17:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David,

I have never been a massive coder, sure I can take 2 or 3 scripts that do most of what I want and create a working chimera - but with the opportunities that available currently it is possible for people to create something great in a short space of time with few resources. Great to me is not necessarily life altering, but something that make your world and the world of those around you better in some way. It could be an automated installation script or a monitoring script that identifies when a service goes down and allows you to bring it back up remotely.

Thanks for the comment mate

Chris]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>I have never been a massive coder, sure I can take 2 or 3 scripts that do most of what I want and create a working chimera &#8211; but with the opportunities that available currently it is possible for people to create something great in a short space of time with few resources. Great to me is not necessarily life altering, but something that make your world and the world of those around you better in some way. It could be an automated installation script or a monitoring script that identifies when a service goes down and allows you to bring it back up remotely.</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment mate</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>Comment on DevOp and why I want to be one by KK Ramamoorthy</title>
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		<dc:creator>KK Ramamoorthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 12:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said. Basis admins and Infrastructure folks can greatly benefit from coding skills. When I see my basis friends repeat similar task 100s of times and use a lot of monitoring transactions (repeatedly), I always thought a combination of basis and development skills will go a long way in making their life easy. One e.g. is custom CCMS routines in the SAP world.

Cheers
KK]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said. Basis admins and Infrastructure folks can greatly benefit from coding skills. When I see my basis friends repeat similar task 100s of times and use a lot of monitoring transactions (repeatedly), I always thought a combination of basis and development skills will go a long way in making their life easy. One e.g. is custom CCMS routines in the SAP world.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
KK</p>
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		<title>Comment on DevOp and why I want to be one by David Hull</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Hull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 12:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brilliant, Chris! I&#039;ve always maintained that good admins know how to write code and, more importantly, how to troubleshoot and tune code. I have frequently written code for tasks that were simple, or that I could not obtain tools for, e.g.: my SCN blog series on using perl and python (which doesn&#039;t show up under my userid anymore - an issue I&#039;ve been wrestling with ever since the SCN upgrade, unfortunately)
http://scn.sap.com/people/community.user/blog/2009/06/19/perl-and-sap-adventures-part-1

I&#039;ve also enjoyed writing code for many trivial but fun tasks similar to the mapping one you mention, and others. Because, in the end, it&#039;s good to produce something every now and again, not just to fix things when they break. :)

Cheers,
David.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant, Chris! I&#8217;ve always maintained that good admins know how to write code and, more importantly, how to troubleshoot and tune code. I have frequently written code for tasks that were simple, or that I could not obtain tools for, e.g.: my SCN blog series on using perl and python (which doesn&#8217;t show up under my userid anymore &#8211; an issue I&#8217;ve been wrestling with ever since the SCN upgrade, unfortunately)<br />
<a href="http://scn.sap.com/people/community.user/blog/2009/06/19/perl-and-sap-adventures-part-1" rel="nofollow">http://scn.sap.com/people/community.user/blog/2009/06/19/perl-and-sap-adventures-part-1</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also enjoyed writing code for many trivial but fun tasks similar to the mapping one you mention, and others. Because, in the end, it&#8217;s good to produce something every now and again, not just to fix things when they break. :)</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
David.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Boyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 20:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can understand why they are sleeping.  I had the exact same couch and it&#039;s just that comfortable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand why they are sleeping.  I had the exact same couch and it&#8217;s just that comfortable.</p>
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